Clarification of rule

[Bluefire]

@dGr8LookinSparky

as no one can play well simultaneously on more than one client in Tremulous

Do you know the what are double screen set up?

[dGr8LookinSparky]

@Bluefire

Do you know the what are double screen set up?

double screen isn’t the problem, the problem is having double input to independently control both clients, and not play worse than a noob when playing on both clients simultaneously.

[Bluefire]

@dGr8LookinSparky

not play worse than a noob when playing on both clients simultaneously

yea, that’s true XD.

But what about using the other client to do that: you wanna join H but there are 4 H and 3 aliens so you can’t
Join A team with the first client and H team with the other one! and then you left A team because you wanna play H

[MaeJong]

@dGr8LookinSparky

as no one can play well simultaneously on more than one client in Tremulous (this is true whether the clients are on opposite teams or the same team).

MULT1B0X1NG SAYS HI

[Helper_Bot]

@Bluefire

harassment : aggravation (informal) annoyance, badgering, bedevilment, bother, grief (informal) hassle (informal) irritation, molestation, nuisance, persecution, pestering, torment, trouble, vexation

• Annoyance
• Pestering
• Torment
• Trouble

@Bluefire

How the fuck was I harassing him? I just said he was bad, and then I was talking to erza .

If what you said is true then it can count as harassment from what you’ve listed as if he finds it that way.

@Bluefire

You multicliented and evaded the mute with the second clint named Bluefire ( unmuted).

Forgetting everything else, evading a mute is against the rules whether you multi-client or not which is not the right thing to do. Multi-client, or evading would sure count as evasion?

[dGr8LookinSparky]

@Helper_Bot

If what you said is true then it can count as harassment from what you’ve listed as if he finds it that way.

More specifically Rule 4 says:

@system

No persistently tormenting/pestering/persecuting nor targeting any individual(s) with attacks that could cause harm, induce excessive emotional stress, and/or traumatize. If you are continually pestering someone, when they say “NO” (or stop, quit, etc.), you should STOP. A violation of rule 4 is a valid reason for mute votes, and/or kick votes depending on the situation. Violations of this rule may result in administrative action taken in the form of warnings, mutes, kicks, and/or bans.

[oblivion]

@Bluefire

But what about using the other client to do that: you wanna join H but there are 4 H and 3 aliens so you can’t
Join A team with the first client and H team with the other one! and then you left A team because you wanna play H

Then that would be a unbalanced game. Stop with the nonsense. Your questions are being answered accordingly.

[anon71364292]

@Bluefire

How the fuck was I harassing him?

I wasn’t on the server at that time but seeing how you act on the forum, it seems like you harrass people without even knowing it, and that whether by posting or by sending messages (true story) or even going on IRC to continue with them.

Everyone seems to be taking some time with you but they didn’t understand your nature. You just need to be ignored and that’s why I’ll mute every post you turn to shit like this one, with dummy arguments creating endless discussions we forgot what were they about.

Muted

[YellowMellow]

JuliaBond is a bad person, racist, offensive, etc. He is the one harrasing people, me for example, calling me “dumb mexican, go to school, oh wait you can’t you live in a 3rd world country”. Bluefire is a nice guy which is totally opposite to this piece of [spoiler]goat shit[/spoiler] named “juliabond”. This ban to the wrong person is just dissapointing .

[Hendrich]

Protip: This is not a ban appeal thread. Do not turn it into one. Information from the report thread has been removed from the OP, as I understand that such info isn’t supposed to be privy to non-users.

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The reason this thread is valid is because @Bluefire is seeking clarification on what he understands are vague rules. Specifically:

• The nature of multi-clienting on GrangerPub (unspecified rule?)
• The specifics of “harassment” (Rules 4 & 5)

@Bluefire I cannot answer to any details regarding multi-clienting. I highly recommend any high-level admin to weigh in ontop of what @dGr8LookinSparky has said.

However for harassment, I believe @bird (please correct me if I am wrong) was relying on Rules 4 and 5:

• No persistently tormenting/pestering/persecuting nor targeting any individual(s)
• If you are continually pestering someone, when they say “NO” (or stop, quit, etc.), you should STOP

Persistence and the pesteree’s indication for someone to stop seems to be the key elements for action under Rule 4.

As for Rule 5:

No flame wars (not to be confused with civilized discussions of controversial topics, nor with friendly trash talk banter) between 2 or more players in any non-private chat. Take any fights to private messages. Don’t feed trolls.

Action under this rule appears to be more open to interpretation, where banter between individuals that isn’t civilized discussion or friendly trash talk can be considered flaming (ergo ‘flame wars’).

Urban dictionary provides the following definition of ‘flaming’:

An online argument that becomes nasty or derisive, where insulting a party to the discussion takes precedence over the objective merits of one side or another

@Bluefire I have noticed that you did admit to insulting Juliabond. To what extent I do not know (persistence? flaming?) and discussion of such doesn’t belong here, but an admin decided that it was enough to take action. Hopefully this is the “clarification of rules” that you seek.

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Thread will be closed within 3 days of the last reply, seeing how both inquiries are answered. This should also be enough time for any additional responses.

[Bluefire]

@Hendrich

not to be confused with civilized discussions of controversial topics

I admit, at the begining it was a bit of harassment (btw, I am sorry Lexluger about this)
BUT then I was talking with erza about how do insult affect us, and why should we care about it /why should we ignore it.
Can you guy, please, take the log of this game and put it here, in order to prof what I am saying.
And bird muted me because of the civilized discussions and he justified this as “spam”
But I didn’t wrote more than 2 time the same message, and each sentence was explaing an idea.
So this is not a spam. So the mute’s reason is invalid.

PS: I don’t need obani’s point of view about this.

[Hendrich]

@Bluefire

Can you guy, please, take the log of this game and put it here, in order to prof what I am saying.

I am sorry Bluefire. I don’t have access to the server logs and even if I did, we’re not supposed to dump it publicly. AFAIK once the appeal thread is locked, the matter is over.

Again, you created this thread to discuss about the specifics of the rules. That is why its still up. I commend your efforts for clarification and hope this thread serves to make changes to the existing rules.

[Bluefire]

ok, so what do you think about this new rule: before muting/banning admin explain the reason, so the player can tell them they are wrong, (e.g. it’s not a flamewars, it’s civilized dicussion or I didn’t base naded, we are moving the base and the outpost need bp etc…)

[Hendrich]

@Bluefire

before muting/banning admin explain the reason, so the player can tell them they are wrong

inb4 derailment

My issue with that rule is that admins can’t be expected to have in-depth debates with the people they perceive as rule violators during a match. I guess they can spectate about it, but then they’d be publicly debating details as they take up server slots for something that’s better done elsewhere like on IRC or a forum. I doubt neither of them will agree anyways, so we must trust in the good faith of the admin to do the right thing.

Tremulous 1.4+ needs cross-server chat integration IMO

[Bluefire]

I sent a PM to DevHC, in order to have the chat of this game.

[Hendrich]

Despite whatever appearance you may perceive, make no mistake: DevHC is no longer an admin of GrangerPub¹. I believe you are better off PM’ing @romdos directly if you are that inclined to pursue your case further.

Additionally, this is going to be my last post on this issue. Again, your thread is about the clarification of the rules.

[spoiler] ¹ FUCKING DICKBUTTS. I AM ETERNALLY CURSED TO WALK THIS EARTH AMONG PEOPLE WHO ARE A BLIGHT UPON REASON, LIKE SECULARISTS VOTING IN TURKEY.[/spoiler]

[Bluefire]

ok thx, I am going to ask romdos .

[Bluefire]

I want to show the difference betwin a civilized discussion and a flamer wars, because, apparently, admin can’t see it.

[MaeJong]

@Bluefire

(btw, I am sorry Lexluger about this)

Teh harasser got harassed, how ironic.

[Bluefire]

1. The and not Teh.
2. It should not be funny, you should take action against him.