To be fair, the answers for those questions are practically the same for every application that we receive. There isn’t much you can change. He did include something about what he was trying to change after he was denied, which is a good addition in my opinion. @YellowMellow When you’re in game, talk to as many admins as you can. If more people get to know you, you will have a better chance 
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Punky confirmed
That’s fair enough but yellow shouldn’t talk about putting a lot of effort into his app if he’s just copying his previous application, that’s dishonest.
A couple things. The fact that you feel “attacked” when you receive blunt criticism on something like an admin application shows immaturity on your part. If the community handed out admin lightly like servers have done in the past all sorts of weird bullshit would start happening. I won’t go into the details right now, but it’s not pretty.
There was zero anger on my part. As a matter of fact, I’m pretty impartial to the entire affair. But logically, the fact that you say you “seriously had no time at the moment” is complete crap. I don’t get on the server very often these days, but when I’m on I’ve seen you. I’ve never seen you pm me and ask if I’d give you a vouch on the next admin application you made, yet I see you type a lot in-game otherwise. Definitely tells me you had time to do so. So is it toxic for me to say you could have put more time into making your application more presentable? Or is just realism?
There was no mistake on your part, I meant exactly what you thought I meant. Your application was bad and needs work in the future. If you want, I will work with you and help teach you for the future as you are both an EBSF member and showing some amount of change from your past character.
The fact that you think because we clan together it means I will vouch for you on something completely apart from the clan is both assuming incorrectly on your part, and an insult to my integrity. You put me in a position where I must either create strife between us, or lie and say I have faith in you without cause creating a biased admin for the server (myself), and I will not personally become biased or hypocritical if at all possible.
I have said nothing on other admin applications where people just “do the same thing” because my name was not listed among the vouchers.
Let me give you some advice for the future and how I, myself, would go about creating an admin application. First: I would listen to the admins’ advice on the subject. I have seen several high leveled admins give some advice on this admin application and even former admins.
Second: I would specifically ask admins (probably level 6 or higher) if they would help teach me how to become an admin worthy character for the community.
Third: I would ask (ask, not pester…there is a difference) high leveled admins AFTER I have learned some things from the admins, if they would vouch for me. If they say yes, then that’s a yes. If they say they’ll think about, then let them come to you in their own time whenever they are willing to give you an answer. And if they say no, do not berate, talk back, or become verbally abusive towards them. Instead, ask them why. Ask them how you can become a better candidate in the future, and ask them if they are willing to reconsider in an appropriate amount of time.
Fourth: I would understand and accept that “friendships” are a horrible way to get into a public admin team, unless you’re specifically applying for a clan admin level on a clan server. Strong and well considered admin teams are created and molded as objectively as can be, and the factors that are looked for are more solid than the biased “yes’s or no’s” of friends or clanmates.
And finally fifth: I would look at the admin applications of some of the other admins on the public server. It helps you see what people critiqued them on, and also how strong their initial application was. DO NOT copy/paste their words, that is both dishonest and laziness…but read what they have to say and think about how it applies to yourself and where you see yourself fitting into that general idea.
I clarified specifically on my first post that I was not personally attacking you, but you still felt personally attacked. I am sorry you felt that way. I will therefore clarify again, this is not an attack against you. This is a realistic (yet harsh) way of looking at ANY admin applicant and the basic gist of fundamental admin applications. As I said before, I will not vouch for you on this admin application but I WILL offer to help you in the future if you want, and perhaps, I’ll be willing to vouch for you on your next admin application if this one fails.
P.S. Have fun reading that.
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Aw no TL;DR 
If you saw a lot of people raping a twelve year old, and nobody said anything, would you join in?
To be fair, the majority of admin applications on this forum are shit. I’m considering making my own, knowing it would fail, just to give an example of how to apply for admin for future applicants.
I mean, it worked for Elite… 
Also, since it was deleted by a corrupt forum moderator, I feel the need to repeat myself: DO NOT LIST ANY ADMINS AS A VOUCHER WITHOUT EXPLICITLY ASKING THEM FIRST AND GAINING THEIR APPROVAL. It’s just about the quickest way to get your app denied. If you can’t be assed to ask an admin to vouch for you, how can we expect you to ask admins questions about the roles of being an admin? If you “have no time” lately to ask an admin to vouch for you, how can we expect you to even have time to admin properly? It reeks of the desire to be powerful, not the desire to make the server a better place.
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I would support it (given it addresses the important questions)
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When i did that application i past around 1 and a half hour, that’ s a nice proportion of effort, and re-reading analyzing it in search of mistakes; and changing a few things it’ s effort too, at least for me; so please, respect my work a little more and do not call me dishonest. And i did not change too much of my application because i consider the answers are all perfect, except for small mistakes of which i took care to find and change. Thank you @Craze for understand this. I know i made a mistake by listing a non-vouch admins, and i tried to fix it; so please stop spamming it. i’ ll take this as a learning for the future.
@Rekove I pondered for a while, and I realized that you 're absolutely right , like @Menace13 (although the latter was a bit aggressive) . Only I would like to do not receive adjectives that qualify me negatively, because I think I deserve them not , not yet at least.
THIS NIGGER KNOWS
But you can’t ask everyone to make multiple-paged essays like evo did for each question either lel
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[quote=“YellowMellow, post:3, topic:2174”]
i am not StaXx*, i know him, he is my neighboor
[/quote]Right.
I don’t see why it would fail. You’re easily the best poster on this forum, and unlike a lot of our current admins you have experience. I’d even go so far as to vouch for you.
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lol if we added up the time he spent banned there it’d probably equal L-4
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I’m F2’ing @YellowMellow just like last time, i see no improvement in personality and a lot of iffy things like not asking people to vouch before the app (you made this mistake twice, i assume you’d have gone over ckit’s “how to app for admin” again after your first app failed?) A guide to admin applications (new applicants read here)
Copying your entire last app doesn’t sound right to me, if you thought all your answers to the questions were perfect then how come it failed?
I’d try to show the server and its admins that you’re capable of behaving and not causing problems before applying for admin, it would improve your chances of joining the admin team a lot.
@Hero Admin vouches for evading clan member? This reeks of PMW
@Menace13 i like how you bring up solid points but then i see [quote=“Menace13, post:20, topic:2443”]
the desire to make the server a better place.
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We require more basenades
is joke k plz no serius /s /j
I’ ve never been banned from AA
@DarkMicrobe I have carefully read the Ckit tutorial when i realized this application, and you 're right I was wrong to appoint many admins without asking them first ; But i recognized that bad decision at least 3 times and said i was sorry and take it as a learning for the Future . The answers seem correct (not very large, nor very vague) since answered according to the rules of Granger Hub after having read them. That is the reason why i only changed small things. as @romdos said i failed because i was not prepared and they didn’t knew me enough.
sure, try again in the future, f2 from me
i’ll certainly not vouch for L5 because it’s a lot too much for someone that never had admin on this server but i’ll for L4 maybe if we give you 1 week at L3 … I think now you’re enough mature but i think that you shouldn’t play with fire IF you get admins and stay right because all admin team will be watching on you for your past
Yellow I think you need to put more effort into it for level 4 or 5 why don’t you start out with L3 @YellowMellow
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Denied. Please wait 3 weeks before reapplying, if you have any questions please feel free to PM me.