I woke up this morning to find SEVEN of my posts flagged and removed “by the community”. A quick inspection finds out they were flagged by a single admin and removed without discussion. Three guesses who!
I think you mean: “SEVEN of my copypasted spam / shitposts”
WRONG. That’s why it says:
Stalin! Mao! Hitler!
They did not breach the community guidelines or forum rules. You’re censoring my voice because you personally don’t like it.
I already had a discussion with you about that very post and you said it was fine. Posting once in a closed thread was an accident.
Having high forum activity isn’t spamming, I didn’t post the same thing over and over again in the same post. My post was relevant to every topic I posted in.
CronSpark.co One admin, both blind and ignorant to change.
Even hitler and stalin wouldn’t hide my posts.
And repeatedly spamming posts is not legitimate ‘high forum activity’. Changing a couple words doesn’t mean it’s not the:
WRONG - I said nobody flagged the post that you are talking about, and it wasn’t targeting any individual - that doesn’t mean “it’s fine”. YOU flagged the post in-question for Pete’s sake, so WHY would you think it’s okay to copypaste it elsewhere in SEVEN different places and not get flagged?
I’m certainly not blinded by, nor ignorant about; all of the issues that other Tremulous-centric communities have had. And this is the reason we do things differently here.
A mod flagged the post. Instead of hiding it myself I opened discussion with you about why it hadn’t been hidden yet.
Hi @romdos @Ckit I’d like to say:
as shown in the Community Guidelines that;
[quote]Be Agreeable, Even When You Disagree
You may wish to respond to something by disagreeing with it. That’s fine. But, remember to criticize ideas, not people. Please avoid:
Name-calling.
Ad hominem attacks.
Responding to a post’s tone instead of its actual content.
Knee-jerk contradiction.[/quote]
[quote]Your Participation Counts
The conversations we have here set the tone for everyone. Help us influence the future of this community by choosing to engage in discussions that make this forum an interesting place to be — and avoiding those that do not.[/quote]
I’m sure forum moderators going around and saying a few harsh words on multiple posts isn’t shining light on any of the rules listed above.
I don’t think any of these posts show that a forum moderator is influential in showing that GrangerHub is a good place, not a mass trolly spammy forum place.
[quote]Always Be Civil
Nothing sabotages a healthy conversation like rudeness:
Be civil. Don’t post anything that a reasonable person would consider offensive, abusive, or hate speech.
Keep it clean. Don’t post anything obscene or sexually explicit.
Respect each other. Don’t harass or grief anyone, impersonate people, or expose their private information.
Respect our forum. Don’t post spam or otherwise vandalize the forum.
These are not concrete terms with precise definitions — avoid even the appearance of any of these things. If you’re unsure, ask yourself how you would feel if your post was featured on the front page of the New York Times.
This is a public forum, and search engines index these discussions. Keep the language, links, and images safe for family and friends.[/quote] As shown here it looks like any of the posts we are talking about aren’t following this guide as neatly.
[quote]If You See a Problem, Flag It
Moderators have special authority; they are responsible for this forum. But so are you. With your help, moderators can be community facilitators, not just janitors or police.
When you see bad behavior, don’t reply. It encourages the bad behavior by acknowledging it, consumes your energy, and wastes everyone’s time. Just flag it. If enough flags accrue, action will be taken, either automatically or by moderator intervention.
In order to maintain our community, moderators reserve the right to remove any content and any user account for any reason at any time. Moderators do not preview new posts in any way; the moderators and site operators take no responsibility for any content posted by the community.[/quote]
Are you truly sure this is just GrangerHub trying to censor everything? Perhaps GrangerHub is trying to keep a squeaky clean moral. Even if you wanted to voice your opinion shouldn’t it be done in a more civil manner? Screaming, bad talk, etc will only make both you and the responder annoyed. Which leads to all this aggression.
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I agree. That post is a quote from a specific individual. When I questioned cron why a post that contained that quote hadn’t been hidden yet, he said there was no problem with the post. He said it was ontopic and did not breach community guidelines. I disagreed with that. To show him how much damage that type of behaviour can cause, I replicated it. My posts were removed immediately, I was bumped down to trust level 2, and my moderator privileges were revoked.
Not everything. They are trying to censor things they dislike because this is their safe place. [quote=“Helper_Bot, post:28, topic:2573”]
Even if you wanted to voice your opinion shouldn’t it be done in a more civil manner?
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It was. Privately.
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It wasn’t ignored. We have zero obligation to discuss moderation and forum administration matters here.
yeah, probably a considerable effort was spent on taking huge shits from the highest levels, during the intermissions of midnight ignorance parties.
Don’t confuse forum moderation with censorship.
That is true, but I feel in this instance It may be beneficial to put some context to the situation so that it isn’t misunderstood and blown out of proportion.
@Ckit had an issue with another user’s post, he felt that user’s post was inappropriate. But instead of flagging that user’s post, he decided to personally attack that user in a reply. Ckit’s post was then flagged, and he was notified what he would need to change (remove the personal attack) in order for his post to be unhidden. But he took offense to this, but did edit that post, and his post was unhidden.
Instead of civilly discussing/arguing the issue of the post he took offense from to help us come to a determination, Ckit wanted to “prove a point,” that posts like that user’s post are inappropriate, and should be hidden (which he did flag that user’s post so that it was hidden, but said that flag was an accident), by intentionally spamming crap posts (based on that user’s post out of context) that he felt would be detrimental to forum discussions. @Ckit said that flagging that user’s post was not worth his time, but apparently attempting to vandalize the forums instead to “prove a point” that a post should be hidden (that he already hid accidentally?) was worth his time.
Needless to say, this is not the kind of behavior that we would expect from a forum moderator, and vandalizing the forums is not the kind of behavior that we would expect from members of these forums. So as a result, Ckit’s posts were flagged as spam, and he is no longer a moderator on these forums.
The bottom line is that GrangerHub’s forums have specific purposes (support, develop, and advance the Tremulous community and game), and we have community guidelines and rules to help achieve those purposes. It is acceptable, beneficial, and encouraged to disagree/debate, constructively criticize, and voice differing opinions/concerns. But please do so in a civil way as indicated by the community guidelines.
Things like vandalism to the forums, personally attacking other forum members, greifing/harassing other forum members, flaming, and derailing topics are detrimental to the purposes of these forums, and will result in appropriate moderation actions. If some people do not like that we take moderation action against such harmful behavior, I’m sure they can find other forums that tolerate such behavior. These forums are for those who want to have fun participating civilly in achieving cool things, and these forums are moderated for that reason.
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Both posts should have been flagged, I did not take offence.
Again, I did not take offence. I civilly discussed it with cron and yourself. You (in my opinion) wrongly determined the post in question was acceptable. Myself, Hendrich and the other individual who flagged it did not. To help show you the error of your ways I replicated the post in multiple different analogies/scenarios/threads.
The post was crap, it wasn’t spam. Posting a similar sentence (which according to cron is ontopic) in 6 different threads isn’t spamming. [quote=“dGr8LookinSparky, post:33, topic:2573”]
but apparently attempting to vandalize the forums instead to “prove a point” that a post should be hidden (that he already hid accidentally?) was worth his time.
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Proving my point is worth my time. Yes.
This is off topic, according to cron that post didn’t apply to any of those things annyways.
My posts being flagged is straight up censorship, you are deleting what you don’t want to see. (either that or cron is a massive hypocrite)
Flags don’t delete posts, flags hide posts until edited.
Like I’ve stated previously in this thread:
Moderation != censorship. QED.
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why was the censorship topic closed ? if there were some posts that were perceived to be off-topic, then why haven’t they been moved to a new topic ?
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Ind33d, I concur with DevHC. Despite my shite memory, I distinctly remember opening discussion on such a concern (from splitting Hero’s post into it’s own thread). The purpose of the thread is exactly based on it’s title; it’s closure is rather ironic.
Valid equation: Moderation powers were used to close a discussion thread about censorship. Why?
And if no valid reason exists for the closure of such a thread, wouldn’t it make sense to re-open it?
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Because:
There is no ‘censorship’, only flagged things being hidden due to forum moderation - where the flagged person was too lazy or stubborn to edit their stuff.
Therefor, the entire thread is off-topic, because it’s not based in reality, and is largely people complaining about the effects of a system that worked against them because their content wasn’t allowed; per the guidelines (or other equally valid reason to hide it, as determined by forum staff).
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